April 1996

Subject: Re: Florida State joke probation
From: rmh1@atlcom.net
Date: 1996/04/01
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In article <4jkc4v$seu@news.fsu.edu>, mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (M. DuMond) wrote:
>Seems to me that YOU are the on ranting about how FSU can't
>be ranked in the coaches poll, which if you haven't accepted by now,
>is incorrect.

I never once said that. Florida fans are not that stupid.

>
>Mike DuMond
>mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
>http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~mdumond
>
>Florida State University
>1993 National Champions
>One of 2 Florida teams currently on Probation.


Subject: Re: FSU Semiholes (half-assed football team)
From: hillyard@cris.com
Date: 1996/04/01
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In article <4jlioe$mtj@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, rickw267@aol.com (RickW267) wrote:
>>>>So keep your trap shut about things you know NOTHING
about.<<<
>
>Fine, I will never post anything again regarding why your mommy allows you
>to use her computer to post garbage on the Usenet.... :-/

Good to see Dorkman back using personal attacks to argue a point.


Subject: Re: UF vs FSU this year!B From: afn30721@afn.org (Richard M. Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/02
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M. DuMond (mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) wrote:
> Mike DuMond (Wayne Peace, BAYBEE!!)
> mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
> http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~mdumond

Danny Wuerffel BayBee!


Subject: Re: F$U On Probation?
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/04
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In article <3161618B.1B19@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>, "J. Michael DuMond"
<mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> wrote:

>Because after 2 complete investigations (one in 1988, another in
>1994/95), only 1 violation was found which was originally deemed
>a minor violation. I would call that pretty clean.

Originally, but is now a MAJOR.

>Not only do I believe it, but so too does the NCAA.

The NCAA does not believe noone knew. That is the exact reason it was ruled a MAJOR violation.

>Mike DuMond
>Florida State University
>1993 National Champions and
1996 Probation Team


Subject: Re: UF Update
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/04
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>J. Michael DuMond (mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) wrote:
>I say late 2nd/early 3rd to Miami (or St. Louis).

Nah! He won't get drafted and will end up sitting on the bench in the NBA.

In article <3161618B.1B19@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>, "J. Michael DuMond"
<mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> wrote:

>Because after 2 complete investigations (one in 1988, another in
>1994/95), only 1 violation was found which was originally deemed
>a minor violation. I would call that pretty clean.

Originally, but is now a MAJOR.

>Not only do I believe it, but so too does the NCAA.

The NCAA does not believe noone knew. That is the exact reason it was ruled a MAJOR violation.

>Mike DuMond
>Florida State University
>1993 National Champions and
1996 Probation Team


Subject: Re: F$U On Probation?
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/04
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In article <3161AF8D.1FFF@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>, KEB
<kbrinka@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> wrote:

>What are you, some kinda drag queen?

Wow. That's an intelligent way to start a reply.

>Look, the players were the ones benefiting from the agents "generosity". They
>weren't really going to say no. As much as I would like to think that FSU's
>players know better than to accept that kind of stuff, and have a conscience
>about the repercussions to the University, I know that these are just kids.

These kids are the heart of the program and representatives of the institution. They are every bit as guilty as Antonio Langham was at Alabama.

>No, I do not believe that anyone in a position of authority had knowledge of
>the incident. The people in prison now are the lowlifes that were acting as
>agents without a license. Deal with it. The program is clean.

And also on Probation for a MAJOR violation.


Subject: Re: FSU Semiholes (half-assed football team)
From: Hillyard@cris.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/04
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RickW267 (rickw267@aol.com) wrote:

: Fine, I will never post anything again regarding why your mommy allows you
: to use her computer to post garbage on the Usenet.... :-/

: Florida State NCAA records:

: Probabation in 1996
: In Top 5 for most Probations
: Rick Dorkman
: rickw267@aol.com
: http://members.aol.com/rickw267/

FWIW... the facts regarding the _history_ in number of times fsu has been on probation as reported in the Orlando Sentinel's coverage last week is:

'' The probation puts FSU among the five most publicly penalized schools in NCAA history. Only Southern Methodist and Wichita State (seven) have more. Arizona State, Texas A&M and FSU each have six.''

''This is FSU's third football related case since 1974. The Seminoles were placed on one year probation in ' 74.''


Subject: Re: Florida State joke probation
From: Hillyard@cris.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/04
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M. DuMond (mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) wrote:

: "Sammy", if you had listened to the conference call from the
: NCAA, you would have heard the NCAA praising FSU and its compliance,
: calling FSU a national leader in addressing the growing problem of
: sports agents on campus. While FSU never denied the shopping spree
: took place, the actions of its officials were exactly what the NCAA
: wanted, and that is why no penalties were enacted.

FWIW... the facts regarding the _history_ in number of times fsu has been on probation as reported in the Orlando Sentinel's coverage last week is:

'' The probation puts FSU among the five most publicly penalized schools in NCAA history. Only Southern Methodist and Wichita State (seven) have more. Arizona State, Texas A&M and FSU each have six.''

''This is FSU's third football related case since 1974. The Seminoles were placed on one year probation in ' 74.''


Subject: Re: F$U On Probation?
From: Hillyard@cris.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/04
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J. Michael DuMond (mdumond@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) wrote:

: Because after 2 complete investigations (one in 1988, another in
: 1994/95), only 1 violation was found which was originally deemed
: a minor violation. I would call that pretty clean.

Thought I would post the following that came off of another newsgroup.

---------------------------

FWIW... the facts regarding the _history_ in number of times fsu has been on probation as reported in the Orlando Sentinel's coverage last week is:

'' The probation puts FSU among the five most publicly penalized schools in NCAA history. Only Southern Methodist and Wichita State (seven) have more. Arizona State, Texas A&M and FSU each have six.''

''This is FSU's third football related case since 1974. The Seminoles were placed on one year probation in ' 74.''


Subject: The Truth About FSU & Probation
From: Hillyard@cris.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/04
Message-Id: <4k0i8n$528@tribune.concentric.net>
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
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FWIW... the facts regarding the _history_ in number of times fsu has been on probation as reported in the Orlando Sentinel's coverage last week is:

'' The probation puts FSU among the five most publicly penalized schools in NCAA history. Only Southern Methodist and Wichita State (seven) have more. Arizona State, Texas A&M and FSU each have six.''

''This is FSU's third football related case since 1974. The Seminoles were placed on one year probation in ' 74.'


Subject: Re: Dorkman speaks the truth
From: Hillyard@cris.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/05
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RickW267 (rickw267@aol.com) wrote:

: FWIW... the facts regarding the _history_ in number of times fsu has been
: on
: probation as reported in the Orlando Sentinel's coverage last week is:

: '' The probation puts FSU among the five most publicly penalized schools
: in
: NCAA history. Only Southern Methodist and Wichita State (seven) have more.
: Arizona State, Texas A&M and FSU each have six.''

: ''This is FSU's third football related case since 1974. The Seminoles were
: placed on one year probation in ' 74.''

: }}}--- Go CrimiNoles --->>

: Florida State NCAA records:
: Top 5 in Most Probations by NCAA
: Currently on Probation by the NCAA


: Rick Workman
: rickw267@aol.com


Subject: Atlanta Area Aquarium Association
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/05
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Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
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Do you enjoy aquariums and fish-keeping? If so, check out the Atlanta Area Aquarium Association. We have a homepage at:

http://www.mindspring.com/~hillyard/aaaa.html

Check us out!


Subject: Re: Florida State joke probation
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/05
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In article <4jph37$n8i@bcrkh13.bnr.ca>, hoequist@bnr.ca (Charles Hoequist P250) wrote:

>
>I believe the final number of which UF was found "guilty" (what
>is the term outside of a court with in absence of judicial
>procedure?) was somewhere in the 50s.
>
>And probably *still* a record.
>
>-c.h.

'' The probation puts FSU among the five most publicly penalized schools in NCAA history. Only Southern Methodist and Wichita State (seven) have more. Arizona State, Texas A&M and FSU each have six.''

''This is FSU's third football related case since 1974. The Seminoles were placed on one year probation in ' 74.''


Subject: Re: Florida State joke probation
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/05
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In article <4k1906$72f@ds9.ch2m.com>, Scott Stevenson <wstevens@atl.ms.ch2m.com> wrote:

> v.
>11 violations FSU admitted to in its report to the NCAA
>
>Therefore, FSU is now the violation Leader. CONGRATULATIONS!!!
>
>(at least they finally lead in something...although it took
>them awhile)
>
>GO GATORS!!! 13-0 in '96
>
'' The probation puts FSU among the five most publicly penalized schools in NCAA history. Only Southern Methodist and Wichita State (seven) have more. Arizona State, Texas A&M and FSU each have six.''

''This is FSU's third football related case since 1974. The Seminoles were placed on one year probation in ' 74.''


Subject: Re: SEC Title Game (LSU v Tenn)
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/05
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In article <4k1c3o$q4o@michp1.redstone.army.mil>, Steve Elliott <jesvsfreak@aol.com> wrote:

>Auburn mediocre w/ Craig at QB? Lets see. On 13 red zone situations
>last year TB put Craig in a quarterback. AU scored 13 TOUCHDOWNS. If

Does not say much for the coaches playing Nix so much.

>Auburn has a problem with mediocrity next year, it will not be the
>Offense's fault. I hope Bro. Oliver will bring some defense to the
>Plains. The defense might have problems with mediocrity, but hey, that's
>better than last year.

Florida Fans love Brother Oliver. The Gators are 4-1 against his defense.

>As for the east, UT is my pick, but if UT chokes it will be in the UF
>game.

UT has no defense. They will not have to choke to lose.

Gators - 4 in a row in Atlanta in 96


Subject: Re: Florida State joke probation
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/05
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In article <moore-0404962208100001@nb4p25.scri.fsu.edu>, moore@scri.fsu.edu
(Clark Moore) wrote:
>Therefore, FSU is now the violation Leader. CONGRATULATIONS!!!

(at least they finally lead in something...although it took
them awhile)
'' The probation puts FSU among the five most publicly penalized schools in NCAA history. Only Southern Methodist and Wichita State (seven) have more. Arizona State, Texas A&M and FSU each have six.''

''This is FSU's third football related case since 1974. The Seminoles were placed on one year probation in ' 74.''

This post is important for a number of reasons.

1. Richard finally posted something other than lame-assed insults. He went out and found an actual FACT! <

While, Clark wasted all that bandwidth complimenting me. I feel so honored.


From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/06
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In article <4k305r$ajh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, rickw267@aol.com (RickW267) wrote:
>>>>FWIW... the facts regarding the _history_ in number of times fsu has
>been on probation as reported in the Orlando Sentinel's coverage last week
>is:<<<
>
>What does this drivel....
>....have to do with this?


Dorkboy, it has everything to do with this. You talk about how Florida had so many violations under Pell, yet FSU is one of the most penalized in the history of the NCAA. Tere is only one team in the country with more probations than FSU, and it sure isn't Florida.

You also talk about the head start that Florida had in Football, etc., yet FSU has been playing for over 40 years. Sure took you long enough to figure which way to run/pass down the field.

The fact remains, you are in a basketball conference that is not so good at basketball anymore. Your team is the perennial "cellar dweller" in that conference, but it allows your Football team to play one of the weakest conference schedules in the country. You lost to a team that barely beat a pitiful UGA team in the Peach bowl, yet you strut around like you have feathers stuck up your a$$, which come to think of it, as seminoles, you probably do have feathers stuck up there.

But I must admit, you are the "king of America Online"!!

>
>Florida State NCAA records:
>Presently on Probation
>Losing record to both in-state Rivals
>Top 5 Probation Team
>Rick Dorkboy

>rickw267@aol.com
>http://members.aol.com/rickw267/


Subject: Aquaria Web Page
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/14
Message-Id: <4kpmu9$1pl8@mule1.mindspring.com>
Keyword: aquaria, aquarium, tropical, fish
Organization: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,rec.aquaria.freshwater.cichlids,rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc,rec.aquaria.misc,rec.aquaria.tech

The Atlanta Area Aquarium Association has a homepage at:

http://www.mindspring.com/~hillyard/aaaa.html

This is one of the most comprehensive pages related to freshwater aquaria on the WWW, and was awarded 3 stars by the Magellan Group.


Subject: Re: GEORGIA
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/25
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In article <4lkha6$lvj@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu>, Tom <watsoj4l@wfu.edu> wrote:

>By the way, it is SANFORD stadium which, incidently, is twice
>the size of your feeble excuse for a stadium.
>
>Tom

LET THE BIG DAWG READ!

Gators, 6 in a row against UGA in 96.


Subject: Re: GO YOU MIGHTY BULLDAWGS!!
From: hillyard@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Hillyard)
Date: 1996/04/26
Message-Id: <318139fd.87683228@news.mindspring.com>
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college

On 23 Apr 1996 15:10:15 GMT, coastal1@ix.netcom.com(Stephen Hammond ) wrote:
>A good friend of mind had a chance to go to the Georgia Bulldawgs
>spring game last week in Athens. He said "those dawgs look awesome".
>Gator fans, WarEagle or maybe when your not flying high---tigers fans,
>fans from the trade school, and any opponent outside the
>SEC-------Beware!!!!! Donnan's Dawgs will eat your Lunch.
>
>Steve HB
>GSU Alumni 87
>Go Eagles!


Splitting the UGA squad and having them play each other is a TRUE test.

NOT!

 

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