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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:19:41 GMT
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Ms. Smathers,

These allegations below that you attribute to me are totally false. I will respond by courier to you at the address of your apartment this week. My attorney has advised me not to state anything further.

Good Day!


 

On Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:04:10 GMT, in mindspring.discussion cynthia@mindspring.com (Cynthia Smathers) wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Jul 1996 18:37:58 GMT, cynthia@mindspring.com (Cynthia Smathers)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 14 Jul 1996 18:24:34 GMT, w4imm@mindspring.com (Phil Witt) wrote:
>>
>>>But is that IP address not just an arbitrary dynamic one?
>>>I don't get it.
>>
>>Not very random, so I don't think so. That is the IP address that shows up
>>in the harassing email sent to me, the additional email sent to me from
>>hillyard@mindspring.com yesterday, and the headers of posts from
>>acad@mindspring.com and hillyard@mindspring.com.
>
>Almost forgot--it also shows up in the headers of articles posted elsewhere
>by someone who signs himself "Richard Hillyard" and uses a variety of the
>addresses I listed in my original post, as well as hillyard@prodigy.com
>(has Prodigy started permitting that form of address?). The posts are
>mainly to various aquarium-related newsgroups (rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
>, rec.aquaria.misc, sci.aquaria, etc.) as well as to alt.test. Several of
>them direct readers to the URL
>http://www.mindspring.com/~hillyard/aaaa.html as well as the email
>addresses at the CDC.
>
>He usually uses the anon.penet.fi address to post flames to football
>groups--highly obscene flames, in some cases. He seems to be completely
>incapable of answering anyone who in any way disagrees with him except by
>calling them things like "Known faggot and child molester"
>(rec.sport.football.college, 6/2/96). He then posts more nastiness (same
>language, same types of insults), using the hillyard@cris.com address,
>responding to those who called him a coward for hiding behind an anonymous
>address (while claiming that he isn't the same person, of course). He signs
>himself
>
>Richard Hillyard
>THE UNIVERSITY of Florida
>
>He has at times tried using a bogus address of "whocares@accsucks.com"
>(isn't that a violation of his account agreement, too?) saying things like
>"I love you so much. Suck it again . .."
>
>Of course, he forgot to reset that address and used it to post the
>following:
>
>>Subject: Page for Do-It-Yourselfers
>>From: whocares@accsucks.com
>>Date: 1996/06/14
>>Message-Id: <31c1df3e.10196395@news.mindspring.com>
>>Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
>>Reply-To: whocares@accsucks.com
>>Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
>>
>>Aquaria Online has a Do-It-Yourself page at
>>
>>http://www.mindspring.com/~hillyard/aaaa/diy.html
>>
>>The page offers information for various DIY projects.
>
>It would seem that wasn't particularly unusual, as one of the regulars on
>the rec.sport.football.college newsgroup responded:
>
>>Well, well. It looks like Dick Hillyard is back at it again, making up fake
>>address so he can make an idiot of himself and nobody will know who it is(or
>>so he thinks). Dick, if you're going to be a jerk, at least be man enough to
>>own up to it. Your silly little games only show how little your brain is and
>
> (etc.)
>
>I know people get heated talking about football and other sports, but the
>patterns in his postings match the comments he made in the email he sent to
>me as well as the silly little threat of legal action he posted in this
>newsgroup. It is either Richard Hillyard making these posts, or it is
>someone to whom he has given access to his account. As these posts go back
>to the beginning of June, it is hard to believe that someone had "hacked"
>his account and he just realized it this past week. He is responsible for
>anything done using his account (it's in the contract with MindSpring,
>remember?) so if it's one of his children or someone else using his
>account, it's his problem.
>
>He has also forged posts to make it look as though they come from others:
>
>>Subject: Re: Where are the Florida State fans?
>>From: moore@scri.fsu.edu
>>Date: 1996/06/21
>>Message-Id: <31cb10b5.157005245@news.mindspring.com>
>>References: <deleted.480.010C4A35@primenet.com>
><31af54ea.1323945@news.mindspring.com> <4oo2qd$kmc@news.tamu.edu>
><31b1d4d3.165164986@news.mindspring.com> <4osmji$b04@news.tamu.edu>
><moore-0306961259060001@moore.scri.fsu.edu>
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><moore-1906960913040001@moore.scri.fsu.edu>
>>Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
>>Reply-To: moore@scri.fsu.edu
>>Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
>
>To which the real moore@scri.fsu.edu responded. I don't know if he didn't
>bother to report it to MindSpring, or if they didn't take action--but I
>would very much appreciate knowing just who sent the above referenced
>Message-Id.
>
>He also denied, at one time, having any children named Jon or Chris,
>claiming that hillyard@cris.com is a different person than
>hillyard@mindspring.com. While there are certainly other Richard Hillyards
>in the world, and on the net, how many of them would be posting to the
>exact some newsgroups, in the same threads, as hillyard@mindspring.com? And
>why would some of those posts be ads for the web site
>http://www.mindspring.com/~hillyard/aaaa.html using precisely the same
>wording as those posts from hillyard@mindspring.com? I feel sorry for his
>wife and children, as he holds them in such low regard as to deny their
>existence.
>
>One of the posts made using his anon.penet.fi address (but sent through
>MindSpring) requests that people mailbomb someone who disagreed with him:
>
>>Subject: Re: Mailbomb this A$$HOLE
>>From: an611702@anon.penet.fi (The Terminator)
>>Date: 1996/05/16
>>Message-Id: <319a46c7.38019292@news.mindspring.com>
>>References: <4mls7r$g4b@dfw-Ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>
<4mp8v9$60c@news.fsu.edu> <1996May8.104417.1@epic66.dep.state.fl.us>
<burgess-0805961249130001@burgessmac.scri.fsu.edu>
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>>Reply-To: an611702@anon.penet.fi
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>>
>>Seriously folks. The only way to get AOL idiots to quit posting long
>>sigs like below is to mailbomb their a$$. Everyone mailbomb this dude
>>until he learns a little netiquette.
>
>That is yet another violation of MindSpring's guidelines. (And he calls
>himself "The Terminator" - how original!)
>
>I did not make my accusations rashly, nor did I do anything legally
>actionable. I didn't make any threats of any sort, or claim to be a
>"hacker" as the man said. Bell South's records will very clearly show what
>calls have been made on my lines, and none of them were to his house.
>MindSpring's records will show that I've been online with my own account at
>the times he implied that I sent the harassing email to myself---and
>matching those with the Bell South records would easily show that, as I
>couldn't be signed on twice from one phone connection, it would be
>extremely difficult for me to have sent the emails myself. MindSpring's own
>logs will show whose account did send them--and the forged cancellations,
>and so on.
>
>In any case, I did check the headers on the emails before I ever reported
>them to MindSpring, and well before I posted anything about the incident in
>this newsgroup. They were clearly sent from Richard Hillyard's
>account--making him responsible. Yes, it is possible to forge such things,
>but extremely difficult. It is also possible to "hack" an account, but
>again, difficult unless he's been irresponsible (using an easily guessed
>password, writing his password down or giving it to someone, etc.).
>
>As to the other accusations from his post:
>
>He claimed he was not previously aware of my existence, yet he had posted
>the following to mindspring.local.atlanta:
>
>>Thanks Esa. I personally have only been on Mindspring for 3 months and
>>"Cindy" is the only user I despise with her righteous attitude.
>
>(Using the acad@mindspring.com mailbox, with the same IP address in the
>headers as the above). He then sent the following to me via email:
>
>>Anything you post is becoming inflammatory to a great many of us. 32
>>of us have sent emails complaining about the vicious nature of your
>>attacks on people.
>>
>>Richard Hillyard
>
>So why hasn't MindSpring given me any warnings, or any of those other 32
>people contacted me? How could he possibly claim he knew nothing of me?
>
>I'd love to see a detailed listing of just how many posts I have ever made,
>anywhere, that made "vicious" attacks on anyone--especially as compared to
>the number of posts I have made responding to requests for help from
>others. My copy of Agent still has 84 posts from me, from 3/21/96 to today,
>made to mindspring.discussion. Four, in threads started by responses to
>advertisements, could be considered flames (one is absolutely a flame, the
>others are more borderline by my own definition) and two are responses to
>flames directed to me. One is a response to someone who was making false
>statements due to insufficient research and flamed Floyd Drennon for
>pointing that out. The others are either attempts to help others, requests
>for information for myself, or the general banter that goes on here all the
>time. That's just in the one newsgroup--I'm not going to bother going
>through the others.
>
>I've shown in the past that I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong, and to
>publicly apologize when it is warranted. Show me that I'm known more for
>"vicious attacks" than for being a productive member of the MindSpring user
>community---I want to know. Make sure you note how you judge me, as a
>woman, compared to how you judge what men say. I once read "Women who speak
>their minds are called bitches. Men who do the same are standing up for
>what they believe in. Why the difference?"
>
>I did not and will not send email to any of Hillyard's accounts after the
>first one, telling him not to send me further email (it was sent only to
>acad@mindspring.com). Sending further email to him would be useless.
>
>I doubt Hillyard understands the definition of the word "slander"
>From Webster's:
>1: the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and
>damage another's reputation 2: a false and defamatory oral statement about
>a person)j
>
>I didn't say anything about him that was false or misrepresentational--and
>the statements were not oral. If it's written, it's libel (a written or
>oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly
>unfavorable impression). As my statements were not "unjustly unfavorable"
>and contained no misinformation, I didn't libel the man, either. If anyone
>claims I did so--please quote the exact wording, and tell me why you
>believe it was libelous.
>
>I'm not a Christian and never claimed to be one--in fact, I state that
>quite clearly on my own web pages. And if he "cannot
>imagine ever desiring or having an interest in this woman" why would he
>send email to me containing statements like "Hey Cyn! I saw your picture on
>your homepage. I love feisty women. How about a fingering lesson?" (I won't
>post any of the worst statements here). Christians do not have a monopoly
>on ethics, and neither do those with "traditional lifestyles." Only bigots
>claim that is the case. However, when someone puts all those links to
>Christian sites on a web site emails such statements (and worse) to
>someone, it is high hypocrisy.
>
>He also said I was suggesting a telephone campaign against him--no, I
>didn't. If he thinks I have ever called him, I'd love to know the number
>from which I supposedly did so, with the time and date.
>
>He says he doesn't know what anonymous remailers are--but there are too
>many posts sent from his account to various newsgroups using an
>anon.penet.fi address for that to be believable (especially those
>advertising his web site).
>
>In short, almost every thing he claimed in his post is proven to be a lie.
>While his wife may well have been sitting at his side and so on, I only
>feel pity for the woman.
>
>I do hope to hear from his attorney--because I'll happily respond with a
>countersuit for damages, harassment, defamation, legal fees, etc. if he
>does anything so ridiculous (oooh, I'm so scared!).
>
>As I stated in my original post regarding Hillyard, I made that public post
>because I was seeking information from others who may have been harassed by
>him. It is my experience that those who attack one person are unlikely to
>limit themselves to a single victim. There would be no way other than
>making a public post to find out if others have been similarly harassed. I
>was very careful in the research I did before making the post, to avoid
>making any false statements. Again, look at my own history as a user of
>these newsgroups and then make your judgements. While I do get hot under
>the collar, just like anyone else, I have never attacked anyone out of
>hand, or otherwise acted in the way Hillyard and Gauldin claim. Also, I am
>the same person in "real life" as I am online--unlike those who hide behind
>the anonymity of a keyboard to make their cowardly accusations. I pointed
>out the availability of Hillyard's phone number and street address so that
>he would know that he cannot attack people online without the chance that
>such conflicts would move into his life offline. (Please note that I did
>not post his street address or phone number.) That is usually enough to
>send such small people scurrying away with their tails between their legs.
>
>BTW, Mr. Gauldin, your post implying that my accusations of sexual
>harassment were unfounded is curious to me. I did not use that phrase, but
>did say that he made obscene suggestions and he did, in fact, harass me
>(look it up in the dictionary). I did not publicly post the emails he sent
>as it would be a violation of netiquette. I posted excerpts above, after he
>indicated that he hasn't seen them and was interested. Don't assume that
>anyone who claims they have been attacked is doing so unjustly, no matter
>how old or young they are, or what their lifestyles may be. If you have
>information that says I made unjust accusations, go right ahead and provide
>it.
>
>I am extremely unhappy that MindSpring has permitted Hillyard to continue
>using their network for a week after the original harassment, and I have
>requested that they tell me why that is so.
>
>Miseries, if you have taken legal action, please let me know and I'll be
>happy to add my testimony to yours. It may also be wise to contact the
>others he is known to have impersonated--Undre Daugg, Norbert Taylor, and
>Fig.
>
>Cyn
>cynthia@mindspring.com
>http://www.mindspring.com/~cynthia
>In love the paradox occurs that two things become one and yet remain
>two. - Erich Fromm (1900-1980)
>
>If you want to attack/flame me, do so--in public.
>Threatening/harassing email will be reported as appropriate.
>Finger for disclaimers & such


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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:56:15 -0400
To: cynthia@mindspring.com
Subject: Apology
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Ms. Smathers,

After all that has been alleged in the Mindspring newsgroups this week I had my account password changed. It became apparent to me this weekend that the problems were originating from my account over this weekend and today (Sunday) I decided to find out exactly how this was happening.

Tonight, I had a meeting with my 4 children. I have 2 children in their early 20's who still live at home during the summer. After a session of repeated denial from my children and threats by me I discovered that my 23 year old son and my 21 year old daughters boyfriend were indeed responsible for the attacks against you. My sincere apologies for this.

As to my reactions to your various posts, it disturbs me greatly to read the posts on the newsgroups. I believe in free speech but I also believe in respect and integrity. While your response was accurate I felt it would have been more appropriate to simply call me or email me. I am a very reasonable person and would have likely have gotten to the root of the problem more quickly. To see my name thrown about the Internet by people who have no idea who I am was is very disturbing, especially in light of the fact that I personbally had nothing to do with the allegations. My apologies for my reaction but hopefully you will see why I reacted the way I did. My name is being smeared all over Mindspring due to the actions of others even though one is my son.

Anyway, please accept my sincere apologies for this entire episode. My son had been severely disciplined and I expect no further repeats of his actions, especially since his car has been taken away from him among other things. He showed me copies of the posts and messages he sent, as I discovered the contents of the outbox that I did not know existed in my software. What he sent was very distasteful and I sincerely apologize for them.

In all, I hope that if we ever communicate again, it will be on a friendly basis. I apologize that my account was used to harass you in those ways.

Please accept these apologies, and if this does happen again, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,
Richard Hillyard


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FYI, a copy of this apology was sent to Mindspring, as well as this followup, and the return receipt acknowledgement that you received this message.


>Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:56:15 -0400
>To: cynthia@mindspring.com
>From: hillyard@mindspring.com
>Subject: Apology
>
>Ms. Smathers,
>
>After all that has been alleged in the Mindspring newsgroups this week I
>had my account password changed. It became apparent to me this weekend that
>the problems were originating from my account over this weekend and today
>(Sunday) I decided to find out exactly how this was happening.
>
>Tonight, I had a meeting with my 4 children. I have 2 children in their
>early 20's who still live at home during the summer. After a session of
>repeated denial from my children and threats by me I discovered that my 23
>year old son and my 21 year old daughters boyfriend were indeed responsible
>for the attacks against you. My sincere apologies for this.
>
>As to my reactions to your various posts, it disturbs me greatly to read
>the posts on the newsgroups. I believe in free speech but I also believe in
>respect and integrity. While your response was accurate I felt it would have
>been more appropriate to simply call me or email me. I am a very reasonable
>person and would have likely have gotten to the root of the problem more
>quickly. To see my name thrown about the Internet by people who have no idea
>who I am was is very disturbing, especially in light of the fact that I
>personbally had nothing to do with the allegations. My apologies for my
>reaction but hopefully you will see why I reacted the way I did. My name is
>being smeared all over Mindspring due to the actions of others even though
>one is my son.
>
>Anyway, please accept my sincere apologies for this entire episode. My son
>had been severely disciplined and I expect no further repeats of his
>actions, especially since his car has been taken away from him among other
>things. He showed me copies of the posts and messages he sent, as I
>discovered the contents of the outbox that I did not know existed in my
>software. What he sent was very distasteful and I sincerely apologize for >them.
>
>In all, I hope that if we ever communicate again, it will be on a friendly
>basis. I apologize that my account was used to harass you in those ways.
>
>Please accept these apologies, and if this does happen again, please do not
>hesitate to contact me.
>
>Sincerely,
>Richard Hillyard
>


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Your fun is about to begin. Watch your back! I got your name off of a usenet newsgroup. You should be receiving hundreds of messages from secret admirers.


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>Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 14:35:15 -0500
>From: Ferris Buehler <Ferris.Buehler@Mindspring.com>B >Newsgroups: atl.general,ga.forsale,ga.general,mindspring.local.atlanta
>Subject: Mindspring: read this please.
>
>okay, that's enough.
>
>Is there a way in which I may make a formal complaint?
>This guy has refused to listen to numerous responses to stop
>advertising in the wrong newsgroups. He has sent abusive responses
>across the groups and email.
>--
>Mike Lanham, Ferris.Buehler@mindspring.com
>http://www.mindspring.com/~mike1/

What the hell are you complaining about? What guy. Oh, you are one of those Mindspring assholes.


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In article <taliesinDu0xvu.31q@netcom.com> Glenn R. Stone wrote:

>a problem finding one.... so hush whining about yon Lexus dealer not
> selling
>pickup trucks and go find yerself someone who sells shell. Vote with you
>feet.
>
>taliesin


I would not call Mindspring a Lexus. They suck bigtime!


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In article <4rit94$3lqc@mule2.mindspring.com> Chris wrote:
>
>I don't work for MindSpring, don't know anyone who does, don't own any
>stock in it, and have no connection to it except for the phone jack.
>I'll vote for "concerned, responsive provider" any day of the week
>with MindSpring, personally. Sorry it doesn't meet all of your needs.
>It sure does for a lot of others who've tried the rest....
>
>Chris
>

Minspring is for losers. They do not offer a way to get to newsgroups unless you dial in direct. And their software sucks bigtime. They charge you for a shareware package. Just because they steal more out of your wallet does not make them better. It makes you stupid.


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In article <4rj2js$1avc@mule1.mindspring.com> Bill Coleman wrote:

>Please excuse my ignorance but what is a shell account?


Spoken like a true Mindspring technophobe.


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In article <4qonrr$2nc8@mule2.mindspring.com> M. Baker wrote:
>
>In article <31cc0953.4376436@news.mindspring.com> Cynthia Smathers,
>cynthia@mindspring.com writes:

>>Your experience really is not typical! I strongly urge that you go up the
>>ladder to get your problems resolved. Please. They do care about what's
>>going on, and will try to get your problems resolved.
>
>I cannot share your enthusiasm for MindSpring. I HAVE gone up the ladder
>(repeatedly), but to no avail. The connection out of Montgomery is
>unreliable. It took five tries this morning (ring no answer, or connec
t >then disconnect) before I could connect. And while simply responding to
>this thread the connection broke twice. In the past month, I've contacted
>MindSpring just about daily. It seems, a matter of diminishing returns.


 

Mindspring is not as customer oriented as they claim. A friend of mine at CDC had his account terminated with no warning. His son was messing around on the net for the last few months since he got home fcollege and was harassing people. That Cynthia girl above complained. My friend found out what his son was doing and took his car away for the summer and then apologized immensely to Mindspring. They told him to get screwed that they don't need his money. They lost a lot last year $$$ wise. I hope they go down big time after waht they did to my friend. He is a really good guy and felt bad about what his son did until Mindspring gave it to him in the A$$.


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In article <31d81e07.12286561@news.mindspring.com> Cynthia Smathers wrote:
>
>On Mon, 01 Jul 1996 14:35:15 -0500, Ferris Buehler
><Ferris.Buehler@Mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>okay, that's enough.
>>
>>Is there a way in which I may make a formal complaint?
>>This guy has refused to listen to numerous responses to stop
>>advertising in the wrong newsgroups. He has sent abusive responses
>>across the groups and email.
>
>I'm not precisely sure which of several jerks we're talking about at the
>moment, but to complain formally to MindSpring you forward copy of the
>post or email with all headers to postmaster@mindspring.com
>
>Cyn
>cynthia@mindspring.com
>http://www.mindspring.com/~cynthia
>If you think you have all the answers,
>you haven't asked all the questions.
>
>Finger for disclaimers & such


These 2 are very typical Mindspring people. OBNOXIOUS as hell. Check out their web pages if you do not believe me.


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We don't typically announce these in this forum, but since several people have inquired privately, I'll let you know:

For violation of our published policy on appropriate use of service-the account in question has been terminated.


I have also fielded several concerns from folks who are worried that InterRamp has become something of a spam haven, and that MindSpring's good "net-name" will soon be compromised.

I assure you that all of our accounts will be held to an increasingly strict standard of 'Net-conduct' as outlined on our Homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/aboutms/policy.html

At the risk of seeming draconian, we are going to be a "one strike, you're out" ISP.

-Mike McQuary
President & COO MindSpring


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Wanted to pass along information about Cyndi. She is great. Good personality and great location near Perimeter Mall. She is offering full service for $100 and hour during the Olympics. Her usual rate is $150.


She does not want her phone number left online, but you can reach her at cynthia@mindspring.com. Tell her Undre sent you.


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Wanted to pass along information about Cyndi. She is great. Good personality and great location near Perimeter Mall. She is offering full service for $100 an hour during the Olympics. Her usual rate is $150.


She does not want her phone number left online, but you can reach her at cynthia@mindspring.com. Tell her Undre sent you.


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>From: Ferris Buehler <Ferris.Buehler@Mindspring.com>

>Great! But one thing: why can't I view this original post? It says =
>newsgroup error or something... more anonymous cancelations??

No, just a bad keystroke on my part, sorry.
Here it is again.

We don't normally post these publicly, but since I have received several private inquiries here is the story:

For violation of our published policy on appropriate use of service-the account in question has been terminated.

I have also fielded several concerns from folks who are worried that InterRamp has become something of a spam haven, and that MindSpring's good "net-name" will soon be compromised.

For all our accounts we will be taking an increasingly stringent stance on enforcing our appropriate use policy which can be viewed on our Homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/aboutms/policy.html

At the risk of seeming draconian, we are going to be a "one strike, you're out" ISP.

-Mike McQuary
President & COO MindSpring


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In article <4sf389$412o@mule1.mindspring.com> Walter S. Knight wrote:
>
>>>blechman@pipeline.com(A Nancy) wrote:
>>>
>>>>PSI just announced that they have sold their pipeline subscriber base,
>>>>lock, stock and barrel to Mindspring. Many of us were very unhappy
with >>> PSI
>>>>(we were originally with pipeline, a company which was New York City
> based
>>>>and started by James Gleick) which expanded pipeline to usa.pipeline and
>>>>proceeded to ruin the software, remove features and not provide customer
>>>>support.
>>>>
>>>>Naturally, we're wary of any ISP that PSI recommends so any comments
> form
>>>>Atlanta users?
>
>>Mindspring is ten times worse than Pipeline. Go with someone like Netrail
> or
>>America.net. Mindspring is way over priced.
>
>
>Course duck just got kicked off for being an Ass whole


Another typical Mindspring user response. I have never had an account with Mindspring. I will not pay that much and not have a shell account.


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In article <4sf34d$7m3@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Stewart Harrison wrote:
>
>Let me respond to this. I have a Mindspring account, but I am NO
>technophobe.


If you use Mindspring you are not real smart then.

>I have 5 Linux shell accounts, and also do great deal of
>work in a Solaris shell, and a SCO shell.

Sounds like a real normal person to me. MOT!

>I use Mindspring is because they are much faster than most other ISP's in
>my area ( a full T3 where others are on just T1's), and they use BBN
> Planet as their backbone provider, which is what UGA uses (where my shells
are located).

They are not as fast as Netrail, CRL, or Internet Now.

>Hmm. acording to InterNIC, GNN.COM is registered to AOL. Hmmm.
>Also, I went to www.gnn.com, in order to see what a great deal you were
>getting on your service, and guess what. There was no mention of how much
>an account costs. However they were quite clear that the first month is
>free.
>Enlighten us please.
>

I jump from service to service and just use the free month. Sure saves a lot of money.

Your main problem is that you are affiliated with UGA.

"Let the Big Dawg READ!"... Jan Kemp


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In article <4setln$jmr@news-e2b.gnn.com> <Duck4267@gnn.com> writes:

I'll try to clear up a few factual inaccuracies here.

>Mindspring is not as customer oriented as they claim. A friend of mine at CDC had his
>account terminated with no warning.

Your friend was definitely warned, he even called us for a new password to have his account reinstated about 2 weeks ago. The behavior continued and this lead to his most recent termination.

>His son was messing around on the net for the last
>few months since he got home fcollege and was harassing people.

We terminated the account that the inappropriate use originated from, the account is the responsibility of the owner. We don't attempt to discern who in the household or office is most responsible.

> That Cynthia girl above complained.

And many others.

>They told him to get screwed that they don't need his money.
> [snip] until Mindspring gave it to him in the A$$.

I could not have been more civil in explaining the reasons behind our action. Your characterization is not even in the neighborhood of our communication.

-Mike McQuary
President & COO MindSpring


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In article <mcquary.569.00BE0E1C@mindspring.com> Mike McQuary wrote:
>
>I'll try to clear up a few factual inaccuracies here.
>
>
>>His son was messing around on the net for the last
>>few months since he got home fcollege and was harassing people.
>
>We terminated the account that the inappropriate use originated from,
>the account is the responsibility of the owner. We don't attempt to
>discern who in the household or office is most responsible.


Nor do you allow any explanations or apologies. You do allow your users to slander the guy all over the net, even though he came to you when he found out what his son was doing and apologized. If you are in charge of this company then it will continue to lose money because all of you Mindspring folks are a bunch of cliquish SNOBS.

>
>> That Cynthia girl above complained.
>

This girl is the cause of so many problems on the web with her righteous attitude. Give us the REAL REASON she was terminated as a Mindspring employee.

>And many others.

Including one user who threatened to kill him with a knife. Oh, that Mindspring community is real friendly.

 

>
>>They told him to get screwed that they don't need his money.
>> [snip] until Mindspring gave it to him in the A$$.
>
>I could not have been more civil in explaining the reasons behind our
> action.

Try being civil to a user who went to you when he found out what was going on and you terminated his account with no warning. FYI, many others at CDC will be terminating their accounts today. We had a meeting and he detailed everything that happened and how he apologized, and how you screwed him with no warning at all. BTW, he is head of our connectivity dept. and has been making sure anyone who does business with his department knows what you did.

>Your characterization is not even in the neighborhood of our communication.
>
>-Mike McQuary
>President & COO MindSpring
>

 

This is typical of the management at Mindspring.


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In article <31ECE9EB.2833@mindspring.com>, Jeffrey.Chauncey@mindspring.com says...

>One of his sons web page links to AFN.Org with a username 'afn33541@afn.org'.
>Let's don't bomb the kid!

I didn't bomb him but I did send him a note:

Begin note to afn33541@afn.org
--
>Your Daddy is a terrible man.

>You should be ashamed of him.

>He has brought disgrace to your family.

>He has dishonored your mother.

>Kill him.

>It is the only way to regain your mothers honor.

That oughta mess with his head...hah hah hah!!!

*************************************************************************
Undre Daugg of Subhuman Enterprises
*************************************************************************
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ftp://ftp.mindspring.com/pub/users/subhuman/
http://www.mindspring.com./~subhuman/
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Those darn facts keep getting in the way of your story.

Duck4267@gnn.com () wrote:
>>We terminated the account that the inappropriate use originated from,
>>the account is the responsibility of the owner. We don't attempt to
>>discern who in the household or office is most responsible.

>Nor do you allow any explanations or apologies.

This was his second chance, we had terminated his account previously and then reinstated it due to his initial explanation.

>>> That Cynthia girl above complained.

>This girl is the cause of so many problems on the web with her righteous >attitude. Give us the REAL REASON she was terminated as a Mindspring >employee.

She wasn't terminated, she resigned.

>FYI, many others at CDC will be terminating their accounts today.

I doubt it, the folks over at the CDC are pretty rational.

-Mike McQuary
President & COO MindSpring


From hillyard@inetnow.net Tue Jul 16 16:20:57 1996
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria,rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc,rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish,rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants,rec.aquaria.freshwater.cichlids,rec.aquaria.marine.misc,rec.aquaria.marine.reefs,rec.aquaria.marketplace,rec.aquaria.misc
Subject: Aquaria Online - New Site
From: hillyard@inetnow.net (Richard Hillyard)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:20:57 GMT

Aquaria Online has moved due to a dispute with Mindspring Enterprises of Atlanta, Georgia.

The new location for Aquaria Online is...

http://www.inetnow.net/~hillyard/aaaa.html

I think t\you will find the site much faster now that it has left Mindspring.

Sorry for any inconvenience.


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From: johnpaulw@aol.com (John-Paul Wood)
Newsgroups: atl.general
Subject: I need a local internet access provider! Please help if you can.
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 02:32:14 GMT
Organization: Internet Now, Inc.
Lines: 13
Message-ID: <4shikf$flg@galahad.inetnow.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-4.inetnow.net
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

 

I have been using America Online for some time. It does many things that I don't like but one thing it does do very well is keep up with newsgroups. They update their servers for newsgroups about every hour. I doubt that any local internet access provider in Atlanta has the ability to do this so often but I am trying to find one. If you happen to know of a good local internet access provider in Atlanta that updates their servers for usenet newgroups more than once a day please let me know.

Thanks,
johnpaulw@aol.com
John-Paul Wood


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From: subhuman@mindspring.com (Undre Daugg)
Newsgroups: mindspring.discussion
Subject: Richard Hillyard is advertising himself on the net.
Date: 17 Jul 1996 16:29:55 GMT
Organization: Malevolence Inc.
Lines: 16
Message-ID: <4sj4e3$20iu@mule1.mindspring.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: user-168-121-88-15.dialup.mindspring.com
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7

He's using the alias "Richard Cranium" now.

Warning XXX!!!

news:4siu6h$soe@mule2.mindspring.com

Plug that into your URL window in your browser.

*************************************************************************
Undre Daugg of Subhuman Enterprises
*************************************************************************
mailto:subhuman@mindspring.com
ftp://ftp.mindspring.com/pub/users/subhuman/
http://www.mindspring.com./~subhuman/
"Run to the net, it's the only safe place left on Earth"


Subject: Re: I need a local internet access provider! Please help if you can.
From: Duck4267@gnn.com ()
Date: 1996/07/17
Message-Id: <4sjlgh$41j@news-e2c.gnn.com>
References: <4shikf$flg@galahad.inetnow.net> <31ec5ba6.42982105@news.atl.mindspring.com> <4si7fo$ku7@news-E2c.gnn.com> <31ed0386.704196@news.atl.mindspring.com>
X-Gnn-Newsserver-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1996 21:21:21 GMT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-Ascii"
Organization: GNN
Mime-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: atl.general
X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3

 

In article <31ed0386.704196@news.atl.mindspring.com> Cynthia Smathers wrote:

>>Ms. Smathers, I have never had a Mindspring account. By the way, if I'm
>
>Right, Hillyard. Or is this his friend Mr. Duck from Greenville, SC?


Actually I work with Mr. Hillyard at CDC and he told me about your fat soc.support.fat-acceptance attitude. What are you tipping the scales at anyway these days. Nice post about the Overeasters Anonymous meetings.

Anbd how come your hubby has custody of your kid? Been wondering about that.

Valedictorian from Berkmar in 84 and 12 years later you have maybe 2 years of college. Hmm', guess you can't pull away from the table to go to class. Oh well, this is all public knowledge since I read it on your Homepage today. Except the fat group. I have a way to read the messages that you told Dejanews not to display.


>
>>traveling, can I telnet into Mindspring to read news and check email?

You cannot do it.

>Yes, you can telnet to their mail port (I don't have the port number handy,

borg.mindspring.com (guess she is not the techno-mom she claims.)

>
>As you know, since you were posting in another thread about it, they do not
>sell shell account. They haven't tried to be everything to everybody. No,
>they don't charge "more than anyone else" as you assert, but I don't care
>to go over all the ISPs who serve the area to debate it with you.

Well Cyndi, they do charge more than ibm.net and inetnow and crl, and future services and etc. etc. etc. and they all offer everything Mindspring does and TELNET as well. Plus, they don't have you sneaking around harassing people.

BTW, Mr. Hillyard has an account already with a competitor who is much less and offeres T3's and Telnet and multiple mailboxes. I'm sure with your savvy you can find him and harass him some more.


>
>If you want to attack/flame me, do so--in public.

I just did!

>Threatening/harassing email will be reported as appropriate.

Another Mindspring user who ends their posts with threats.


Subject: Re: Disappointed in Mindspring
From: Duck4267@gnn.com ()
Date: 1996/07/17
Message-Id: <4sk250$89e@news-e2c.gnn.com>
References: <mcooperDu0s9I.ABp@netcom.com> <4rit94$3lqc@mule2.mindspring.com> <4set23$jda@news-e2b.gnn.com> <4sivmc$672@crl14.crl.com> <4sjkkq$3p5@news-e2c.gnn.com> <31ed5bf0.421531@news.atl.mindspring.com>
X-Gnn-Newsserver-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 1996 00:57:04 GMT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Organization: GNN
Mime-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: atl.general
X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3

 

In article <31ed5bf0.421531@news.atl.mindspring.com> Cynthia Smathers wrote:

>Curious--Hillyard, formerly hillyard@mindspring.com, has moved his web site
>to InetNow. You keep saying you aren't Hillyard, so why are there so many
>similarities between you?
>
>Cyn
>
>cynthia@mindspring.com
>http://www.mindspring.com/~cynthia

Guess what Cyndi. Every time you access his page, he makes money. See those ads all over the place. How ironic. When I see him tomorrow, I'll tell him the "fat lady" is putting money into his pocket. When that thing loads it also tells him the IP address of each visitor. Can't wait to go to work to see how much he made off of you today.

Go raid the fridge.


Subject: Re: Disappointed in Mindspring
From: Duck4267@gnn.com ()
Date: 1996/07/17
Message-Id: <4sk1op$858@news-e2c.gnn.com>
References: <mcooperDu0s9I.ABp@netcom.com> <4set3g$jfg@news-E2b.gnn.com> <4sf34d$7m3@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> <4sh3no$c4q@news-E2b.gnn.com> <4sjhr4$2km@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> <31ed5c69.542443@news.atl.mindspring.com>
X-Gnn-Newsserver-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 1996 00:50:33 GMT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-Ascii"
Organization: GNN
Mime-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: atl.general
X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3

 

 

In article <31ed5c69.542443@news.atl.mindspring.com> Cynthia Smathers wrote:
>
>Well, you see, it seems Hillyard has had to move his web site 4 times in
>the past year. We know that his MindSpring account was terminated for
>violating their acceptable use policies. Maybe now that he has it at
>InetNow he's learned to do his nastiness from 'throwaway" accounts.
>
>
>His main problem is that he isn't big enough to say who he is when he's
>attacking folks--he needs to hide behind a not-particularly-anonymous ID.
>
>Cyndi
>cynthia@mindspring.com
>http://www.mindspring.com/~cynthia

I'm right here fat lady. It's not over until you sing!


 

>If you want to attack/flame me, do so--in public.

I am!


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From: Duck4267@gnn.com ()
Newsgroups: atl.general
Subject: Re: Disappointed in Mindspring
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:06:24
Organization: GNN
Lines: 51
Message-ID: <4sjkkq$3p5@news-e2c.gnn.com>
References: <mcooperDu0s9I.ABp@netcom.com> <4rit94$3lqc@mule2.mindspring.com> <4set23$jda@news-e2b.gnn.com> <4sivmc$672@crl14.crl.com>
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X-GNN-NewsServer-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1996 21:06:34 GMT
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In article <4sivmc$672@crl14.crl.com> Robbie Honerkamp wrote:
>Duck4267@gnn.com wrote:
>
>
>bash$ telnet news.gnn.com nntp
>Trying 204.148.102.140...
>^c
>bash$
>
>Well, I couldn't connect to their news server from outside to check and
> see.
>But, I know you claimed to like inetnow and america.net, so let's
>check up on them:
>
>bash$ telnet news.america.net nntp
>Trying 199.170.121.3...
>Connected to peach.america.net.
>Escape character is '^]'.
>502 You have no permission to talk. Goodbye.
>Connection closed by foreign host.
>
>DOH!
>Let's try another one..
>
>bash$ telnet news.inetnow.net nntp
>Trying 206.137.8.3...
>Connected to galahad.inetnow.net.
>Escape character is '^]'.
>502 You have no permission to talk. Goodbye.
>Connection closed by foreign host.
>
>Well, I guess that takes care of your outside-access-to-news
>problem.
>
>Robbie
>
>--
>Robbie Honerkamp
>rjh@crl.com

What kind of imbecile are you Robbie. You are a technophobe which means you should be a Mindspring customer.

You can telnet into INETNOW if you have an account with them.

You can't telnet into Mindspring if you have 100 accounts with them.

Catch my drift idiot.


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From: Duck4267@gnn.com ()
Newsgroups: atl.general
Subject: Re: Disappointed in Mindspring
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:07:12
Organization: GNN
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In article <4sj0pk$6a2@crl14.crl.com> Robbie Honerkamp wrote:
>
>Duck4267@gnn.com wrote:
>
>: In article <4rj2js$1avc@mule1.mindspring.com> Bill Coleman wrote:
>
>: >Please excuse my ignorance but what is a shell account?
>
>: Spoken like a true Mindspring technophobe.
>
>Do tell. How are those shell accounts over at GNN?
>
>Robbie
>
>--
>Robbie Honerkamp
>rjh@crl.com
>

Free right now loser. I use CRL for Telnet and everything else. I use this to bug you.


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From: Duck4267@gnn.com ()
Newsgroups: atl.general
Subject: Re: Disappointed in Mindspring
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:09:55
Organization: GNN
Lines: 20
Message-ID: <4sjkra$3r6@news-e2c.gnn.com>
References: <mcooperDu0s9I.ABp@netcom.com> <4rit94$3lqc@mule2.mindspring.com> <4set23$jda@news-e2b.gnn.com> <4sj9sv$ik5@news-read-1.PeachNet.EDU>
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In article <4sj9sv$ik5@news-read-1.PeachNet.EDU> Dan Newcombe wrote:
>
>Uh...Hmm... I am not 100% about the first one. But at least when I telnet
> to
>their news server, I get a response back. GNN's doesn't give anything.

And what is that response. For one thing, you cannot telnet into their news server. It's impossible. They do not support it.

>
>No...it's the other things that make them better, like their T3's,
> service,
>and so on.
>

Ibm has T3s on their service. CRL has T3's. Mindspring is simply the most expensive T3. And the others allow you to Telnet in.


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From: Duck4267@gnn.com ()
Newsgroups: atl.general
Subject: Re: Disappointed in Mindspring
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:11:03
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In article <4sjhr4$2km@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Kate Wrightson wrote:
>
>That's nice if you don't ever receive any e-mail from people expecting
>you to have the same e-mail address you had last month. I don't think
>many people want to have that much of a hit-and-run relationship with
>their favorite newsgroups or mailing lists. If you just want to play on
>the Web, then I suppose it's okay.

Wrong DAWG Breath. I have a free email account. There's tons of them.


Subject: Re: huskers vs. FSu
From: centipede@hotmail.com (Nacho Mama)
Date: 1996/07/17
Message-Id: <31ed14fa.1751997@library.airnews.net>
References: <4rbug6$2c9@news.xs4all.nl> <4re2t4$63o@brtph500.bnr.ca> <4sdpg0$1562@news.missouri.edu> <moore-1507961251300001@moore.scri.fsu.edu>
Organization: INTERNET AMERICA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college

On 15 Jul 1996 16:49:04 GMT, moore@scri.fsu.edu (Clark Moore) wrote:

>In article <4sdpg0$1562@news.missouri.edu>, c670769@gold.missouri.edu () wrote:
>
>> Chuck Ross (chuckr@bnr.ca) wrote:
>>
>> > In article <4rbug6$2c9@news.xs4all.nl>, nobody@flame.alias.net
>(Anonymous) writes:
>
>> > |> >I didn't see FSU's name on those last two Sears trophy's.
>
><snip the "scalps" bit--whether i agree or not, we had it coming>
>
>> > |> You never will. Have they ever won the all-sports trophy for
their own >> > |> conference?
>
>> > What the hell does that matter? No Big 8 football loses since 92. Champ
>> > since 91? Back to back MNC's. 25-0. 36-1. Anything else?
>
>> You might want to look into this one. I'm am sure that Nebraska has won
>> a couple of those. Up near the top in Wrestling, Women's basketball and
>> volleyball (basketball hasn't been real recent), football, track and
>> field, swimming, gymnastics, bowling. the only sports where they aren't
>> real competative is baseball, men's basketball, and I think that is about it.
>
>Allow me to clarify for chuckr and Tiger (and whoever else): Anon/Nobody
>wasn't talking about Nebraska, he was talking about FSU ("Have they ever
>won the all-sports trophy..." 'they' = FSU). Yet another variant on the
>"FSU is a football school" flame that is so popular among schools with
>more all-sports success.

>Clark Moore <"my mental horsepower is immense"--Anon>
>Florida State University

 

That FSU is a "football school" is not particularly a flame anymore. They seem to be slowly losing that status as well.

Jim Legg


Subject: Re: I need a local internet access provider! Please help if you can.
From: centipede@hotmail.com (The Centipede)
Date: 1996/07/17
Message-Id: <31ed1302.1248170@library.airnews.net>
References: <4shikf$flg@galahad.inetnow.net><31ec5ba6.42982105@news.atl.mindspring.com>
Organization: INTERNET AMERICA
Newsgroups: atl.general

On Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:28:48 GMT, cynthia@mindspring.com (Cynthia Smathers) wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Jul 1996 02:32:14 GMT, johnpaulw@aol.com (John-Paul Wood) wrote:
>
>>I have been using America Online for some time. It does many things
>>that I don't like but one thing it does do very well is keep up with
>>newsgroups. They update their servers for newsgroups about every
>>hour. I doubt that any local internet access provider in Atlanta has
>>the ability to do this so often but I am trying to find one. If you
>>happen to know of a good local internet access provider in Atlanta
>>that updates their servers for usenet newgroups more than once a day
>>please let me know.
>
>Hi there, Mr. Wood. I know you'll be hearing from a twit who has been
>posting as Duck4267@gnn.com shortly to contradict me, but as MindSpring had
>to inactivate his account for violating their acceptable use guidelines
>(like AOL's TOS) he's simply spouting sour grapes.
>
>I've been using MindSpring for quite a while now, and am a former employee.
>I was a customer before I worked there, and I left my account there when I
>resigned. They have the most solid connections I've ever even heard of
>anywhere, backed by a top-notch engineering and operations staff and good
>customer support and service. They will soon add the ability to use phone
>numbers across the nation, but for now they have POPs from Florida up to
>Baltimore and an 800# for use while you're traveling. They provide a decent
>software package, which is what they support, but you are not limited to
>using the software they provide--unlike AOL.
>
>I have no idea how often they update their newsgroups, but it is very
>frequent--much more than hourly, I'd guess. They carry a complete newsfeed,
>and I've even seen a 627-part binary post from another system come through
>without a part missing (not that I'd want to download the ridiculous thing,
>but the fact that it was all there was amazing). They do not censor their
>newsfeed at all.
>
>The MindSpring user community is extremely helpful. The mindspring.* groups
>(available only to MindSpring users) are a great support resource even for
>software or hardware that really has nothing at all to do with
>MindSpring--and plenty of amiable banter, with the occasional passionate
>flamewar for spice (you don't get intelligent people together without
>those, but I suppose you've seen that by now).
>
>I did have an AOL account for a long time--in fact, I was a volunteer in
>their Academic Assistance Center and Tech Live teams--and it simply can't
>compare to MindSpring in any way. I don't go around AOL-bashing like a lot
>of people, and believe that service certainly has its advantages, but
>things like their highly censored, unreliable newsfeed and other problems
>are not enough to compensate for the advantages in my book. I can't
>remember ever getting a busy signal while connecting to MindSpring, and the
>only times I've ever been knocked offline I later found I had been having
>phone line problems.
>
>No, I don't work for them anymore, don't have any vested interest in
>whether you go with them or not, don't even own any of their stock--I just
>think they are an excellent ISP.
>
>Cyn
>cynthia@mindspring.com
>http://www.mindspring.com/~cynthia
>In love the paradox occurs that two things become one and yet remain
>two. - Erich Fromm (1900-1980)
>
>If you want to attack/flame me, do so--in public.
>Threatening/harassing email will be reported as appropriate.
>Finger for disclaimers & such

Mr. Wood,

That excellent provider that Cyndi spoke of? Well their WWW server has been down for more than 5 hours this morning. That is the EXTRA service you get for the EXTRA money. Yo would think that they would have a backup, but with all the extra money that they charge I think they still lost about 2 million last year.

Mr. Legg

 

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